Lol, enjoy Idaho.

Hey, and the Aryan Nations Conference right at your back door.

Moved from the communist state of Maryland to a Liberty supporting state such as Idaho? Good for you sir! Be watchful as there will be many Liberty seeking Americans to follow providing they have the means to do so.

indeed, what Jag said.

You couldn't pay me to move there.

YEAH,lets house, feed, these scum bags for the rest of their lives, oh and give them better medical care then most working people can afford.

sentence of life without parole
Then we can pay the bill for the rest of their life.

I'm a Canadian, and at one time we too had the death penalty...no more. I personally have no problem with this, as sometimes people that are innocent face and pay the ultimate penalty and for me one wrong death is one too many...I also feel that executing the convicted is doing them a favour. When it comes to murder, I am one that is not that nice and believe doing the murdered a favour is the last thing I want to do...I prefer you lock them up, preferably in solitary and you let them rot there for the rest of there miserable lives...let everyday be a reminder of why they are there. Right now in Canada, Luke Magnotta, the guy accused of beheading Jun Li is getting ready for trial..most likely he will be found guilty, and most likely under Canadian law get life with no chance for parole for 25 years...that does not mean he will get out in 25...it just means that is when he can start asking for parole, which most likely he will never get...to me this is a fair sentence, especially in his case.

In the States it has been proven that the majority of people on death row are non-white, basically uneducated, poor, and come from broken and disfunctional homes...now I am in no way making excuses for what these people have done...not in any way...but when you can't get a lawyer, at the same level as a rich white, and you are up against it because your of another colour or race, is that really fair?

Have any of you shut-ins ever been to Idaho? Very beautiful place.

Funny thing about Idaho Republicans though. The name Larry Craig come to mind and a few others.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/04/1176415/-What-s-wrong-with-Idaho-Republicans#

CP, you must know some here never leave their keyboards and have no life, friends, family or job. Check the early morning hours some post here.

Says the guy who posts more in a day than everyone else does in a week.

Oh jagoff, you lie again. What do you freaks have without your lies?

32 minutes later, Joe Sanchez posts the following:

Sanchez

11:30 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Here is a "common sense" idea to prevent mass shootings by those who seem to be the ones doing them, the mentally ill. The one of 2 common threads in these mass shootings, mental illness and firearms.

This is from a father of a Sandy Hook victim.
http://media.nbcbayarea.com/documents/Pozner%20Family%20Memorandum.pdf

"At the core of Haller's proposal are two new laws. First, he recommends a mandatory reporting law which would require anyone with knowledge of an impending crime involving guns or bombs to notify authorities within 24 hours.

In his written justification for the proposal, Haller notes that mass shootings are rarely spontaneous events. They often involve premeditated planning; according to the government report issued after Columbine, "Most attackers engaged in some behavior prior to the incident that caused others concern or indicated a need for help."

His other recommendation is a "Firearm Safekeeping Law" which would make it a misdemeanor, or possibly a felony, to store guns in such a way that they could fall into the hands of someone with a mental illness. The proposed law is written so that it only applies in a case where a mentally ill or violent person actually does obtain the weapon, not where they merely could have."

Then has to follow it with this because he had overflow:

Sanchez

11:30 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

"Haller's proposal defines mental illness as "a person who: (1) has undergone treatment for or been diagnosed with a mental illness or neurodevelopmental disorder and (2) is reasonably believed to pose a danger to others."

Failure to secure a weapon is punished based on the results. If the unsecured weapon is obtained by a mentally ill person, the owner could be charged with a misdemeanor. If the mentally ill person who obtains it discharges the weapon, the owner would be subject to a felony charge."

Ahhh, the fetal position White Flag Surrender dog who whines to the mods when he is treated the same way he treats others and then whines when his vile viscous personal attacks on a single new poster is removed by the mods he whines to on a regular basis. You sick sick scum.

Many Hollywierd types live in Idaho. They are all with 1ke and Frank and Fifi in the Aryan Nation compound.

You lied, be man enough Joe to admit it.

Sanchez

10:58 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Oh jagoff, you lie again. What do you freaks have without your lies?

Fifi the White Flag of Surrender Dog whiner.

Casskar you should definitely stay in Canada. You are not THROWN in solitary and spend the rest of your days there, its strictly for behavioral purposes (the jail within the jail). The guy facing 25 with no parole? Whats the population in Canadas prison system? You may see him in 25. Theres this thing in America that were ALL created equal. Those non-whites that cant afford the "same" attorneys? Why do you need an attorney? You choose a life for yourself after awhile as you get older and learn right from wrong theres no where saying you HAVE to be locked up cause you come from a broken home or are poor. Theres oppurtunity out there if you get off your lazy A$$ and look for it

That's a good idea brother, these people around here are mostly self haters who love the idea of giving everything to the non Whites even after we are the victims of black hate, i would rather have an Aryan nation around here then a black panthers club house like the one located in p.g. county In Maryland they promote self hate to White people, but if you are black or non white then you are a hero of cultural enlightenment!

George Washington, congratulation on your first post from Crofton. Way to go. Crofton is proud of you.

Thanks fifa, i appreciate your endorsement of the cause!

Idaho is great. It is a beautiful state with great outdoor life. Something Carroll County use to be. Then, the urban sprawl arrived, and started the ruination of the country lifestyle that the county had. I have roots that have been in the southern Carroll County area for over 150 years. I miss family and friends but I don't miss congestion and the liberal agenda that has been invading that area. And with redistricting, their probably won't be any conservative representation for quite a while.

I'm actually contemplating a move to Idaho myself. I have a brother there and he's been quite happy and he's not close to being an Aryan Nation member or supporter. It's beautiful there and the cost of living is not nearly as high as it is around here. Oh and the summers are dry.

I used to live there when i worked at INL. Outside of a few areas it's a weird place. Lots of White Supremacist crystal meth head tweekers out there.

Steve,
INL is over 500 miles away from where I reside. You have dope heads where ever you may be.

Frank,
Your liberal logic is funny. I am sure you have never been out of the city or exposed to country lifestyle. I live in the middle of my wife's families ranch and it is the best lifestyle. It is great to walk out your door and see no one staring at you over a fence.

Sanchez,
Most of the Californians moving to this area are trying to get away from the Libtards of their state-the biggest one being Pelosi. Hollywood trash end up in the little liberal areas where they have the lifestyles that suit them. They are not all through Idaho.

FIFA,
I would take the DUI's you listed along with Craig and the footsie incident over O' Malley, Cardin, and the rest of the libs representing Maryland any day. They know what the Constitution stands for and will fight for it the way it should be fought for. They are not blatantly trying to undermine our rights as citizens.

One day you Sheeple will wake up, but by then it will be too late.

I also lived in Hayden Lake. That state is a magnet for misfits.

But you found the need to be nasty, "dope heads", "libtard", & "sheeple", May a caribou find you well.

To answer your question: Try 'off the top of the head', or 'under a rock', or my favorite 'out of thin air'. If you send those youngsters to state run schools and the schools tell the kids lies and tell them often enough the kids will believe anything. We live in the end time and satan has begun to rear his ugly head here on the earth before his full appearance. He wants the majority of people to be 'ready' for his coming. It makes things a lot easier for him. And he will come with promises of peace and prosperity. And in order to sell that to the people, it will be necessary for war and poverty to abound. The rascal has definitely stepped-up his game lately and we are all witness whether we want to acknowledge it or not.

This same research firm in a Sept 26, 2012 poll had the Dream Act 58%-34%-8% (For-Against-Undecided), Same-Sex Marriage 51%-43%-6%, and Gambling 45%-46%-9% on a sample size of 813 voters with a 3.5% margin of error and a 95% probability that if you counted 100% of the people this is the range.

Dream Act passed with 58%, Same Sex marriage with 52% and Gambling with 52%.

Looks like Dream Act/Same Sex undecideds swung to No in October while gambling undecideds apparently went Yes.

http://www.gonzalesresearch.com/polls/Latest%20Poll.pdf

I also question the stats. Might the press be more forth coming and share with us the geographic areas and numbers from each area included in the Gonzales Research Poll? When one refers to percentages for or against...let's have real numbers to refer to and a poll result that is more in tune with people's true feelings and less with possible political propaganda...no matter what the subject.

801 people polled lol. Whats are great staes population?

The t.v. is the most destructive force that is solely directed at White people, to destroy our heritage and promote self hate to our people! Anti racist is a code word for Anti-white, if White people don't wake up they will wake up to find everything we have being handed over to the non whites who hate us so much! even after all the Whites have done for them...

I also favor life without parole. Let them earn their keep. Why should we sanction murder-by-state? We are a civilized people, aren't we?

They don't earn their keep. They sit around half the day and exercise the rest, and don't forget about time to converse with their court-appointed defender and file appeals. They suck off the taxpayers and make a mockery of any democratic justice system. I wonder if this so-called poll includes any of the victims.

A life of leisure no doubt.

I say execute them and save the tax dollars. or give their family the option to pay for their "life without parole" expenses. they can pay the monthly expenses for the rest of the inmates life. Let O'Malley do a real poll of working class people instead of polling the inmates.

Daria, I bet you are in favor of abortion which kills an innocent life. Yet you want no death penalty for the guilty. Yikes!

They dont earn their keep. Keeping your cell clean is not earning your keep. YOUR tax dollars keep them alive

BRAVO

So mad...then again, rationality was never conservatives strong suit

only 801 people!
this poll means nothing

Al Day, you are 100% correct! When the Gov't runs their so-called polls, they provide a list of registered voters to, and tell, the outfit that does the polling to select and call more Dem voters than Rep and Independent voters so they have the propaganda that they want to pass their left-wing liberal laws. Do you know anyone that has ever been called by a polling company? I've lived in the Peoples Republic of Maryland for 54 years and never heard of anyone actually being polled. If only I could afford to move to a Constitutional state...........

Whats a confidence level lol

Maryland is home to the stupidest Whites in the nation, most around here are actually convinced their own race does not exist, while being pushed that all other races do exist. How stupid can they be?

not as stupid as a terribad troll who names himself George Washington.

tim, that is my name, i am proud of it and others of my race who carry my name. don't be a self hater!

No

Hey 1ke, since you had such a convincing rebuttal, I have to reply. You obviously think out of the box, because all the research shows more legal guns, less crime. Do yourself a favor and google fewer guns, less crime. All you get are more guns, less crime. And how nicely you avoided the reason the study should be considered bogus. But, facts are a problem with libs, right? Is you answer going to be another erudite, no?

Wow, a conservative with their head in the sand and stomping their feet. What a rare sight.

don't listen to self haters, i agree completly, just wait until they have to deal with the non-whites who want to rob them, rape their kids, and take half of everything they work for!! ohh that is already a Maryland reality...

Thank you Ron White.

Death Penalty cases actually costs MORE money than housing someone for life. It costs millions to try these cases. And just so you know I am a liberal...but for the death penalty!

hell yes, it is just a law put in place to stop blacks from being executed, realistically Blacks commit 130 times more violent crimes then all the other races of this nation put together, but maybe that is because they are oppressed by large penises and small brains!

They are the States flock of sheep who rely on them for their daily bread.

I admit that in MD, I'm surrounded by ignorant serfs.

That's how the Founding Fathers intended it: landowning Whitemen get the vote. Explain that to your wife.

your completely right! White men that is what makes this nation great, the blacks and feminists running our nation now is what tears it apart, has anyone seen a successful nation/city run by all blacks? no! A successful nation run by all liberal feminists? no this is an experiment, and the experiment has already failed!

Would you feel better if you knew it costs more to "fry" them then it does to lock them up? Probably not, huh?

I agree, But it is a threat to minorities mostly blacks who commit the most violent crimes that go un reported by the zio-media! check out: newnation.org the truth is out there, just liberals don't want to hear or see it.

ONE 18 CENT BULLET BETWEEN THE EYES IS ALL IT TAKES.

Doug, did you buy that round 20 years ago? 1 45 round now is about a dollar!

But I would donate all the rounds needed for the next 25 years use.

Gil, the actual cost of killing them is still not cheap, but getting them to the table is very expensive. At you leisure, read the report.

http://www.goccp.maryland.gov/capital-punishment/documents/death-penalty-commission-final-report.pdf

Yeah, I have some old stuff laying around. I would donate it all for the cause. I did pick up a case of 9mm 1000 rounds for 220.00 last week.. 22 cents per round

Why would you ask that Frank? You have never met a responsible gun owner before who frequents a firing range? You need to get out more.

Sure beats chasing around a little white ball, trying to hit it in a liitle hole with a metal stick. To each his own. Again.. you question was freaky to say the least

Unfortunately you are incorrect. It is cheaper to simply house them.

This is a tactic of death penalty opponents that is very often over looked: they drive up the legal costs of capital punishment through a drawn out legal process littered with regulation and automatic appeals (whether or not the convict wants to appeal). Once the cost of of execution is greater than the cost of housing them they have eliminated the above argument.

The appeal process of capital cases is secondary to getting a guilty verdict overturned. It is all about delay and driving up the cost to the state.

Geoffrey, this tactic is probably more intended to keep their client alive?

But that's what needs to change. Years of courts costs and appeals should stop.

Doug, how many innocent people you willing to kill in order to kill the guilty ones.

Since 1989 more than 250 people have been freed due to DNA testing. This is an interesting map to see where people were almost killed although they were innocent.

http://www.innocenceproject.org/news/StateView.php

That's what the media would like you to believe. The DNA testing means that it was not there blood, sperm (or other body fluid) collected at the scene. Which creates enough doubt to overturn a verdict. It doesn't mean they were innocent of the crime

Doug, those are the facts, do what you wish with them. The standard for criminal guilt in this country I think is "Proof Beyond a Reasonable Doubt". Unless you don't like that part of the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution?

So if the DNA supported the evidence, would you then support the death penalty. Or how about a written confession?

For me it is just lock them up forever. Government murdering its citizens just makes no sense no matter how evil they are. Offering suicide pills just might make some sense, probably get quite a few takers after residing in jail for a long time.

What is interesting is Americans' need for killing prisoners to be "painless, quick, efficient, antiseptic and private" unlike many other countries where hanging or a swift removal of the head is done in public.

The movie "No Escape" has some interesting theories, but somewhat barbaric.

I am more of an "eye for an eye" guy. If I knew somebody murdered one of my loved ones, they would never make it to trial. I would do the average penalty for that.. which is about 18 months in a mental hospital. It would be worth it.

Rope is cheap, and can be used over and over.

i agree completely, check: newnation.org it will show the violent offenders who have earned a death!

LOL... exactly right. It's like asking "when did you stop beating your wife"?

We await your link PHP to the article specifying the weapons used/not used in Newtown.

PHP, the reason I asked is you stated "It was very eye opening this morning to read that there was NO assault rifle used in the Newtown shooting" which was why I questioned you. The video you read was from almost immediately after the shooting and has been proven false many times over. The children and the adults were shot with an AR-15 knockoff, commonly considered an assault weapon by the ATF. Many on the right wing will quickly say it is not an "assault weapon or assault rifle" because it doesn't have an "automatic" firing mode. It fires as fast as the gunman can pull the trigger.

That is really not consequential to the discussion, these children were shot with a military round from this "rifle" multiple times, some up close, some at a distance. The bullet travels at 3 times the speed of sound, the kids didn't even hear the bullet that hit them in the head.

Before you get your dander up, please go read the facts.

yes, check out newnation.org to see that america does not have a gun problem, we have a demographic problem! and it is getting worse, when and if whites become a minority our children will be chased down the streets by mobs of non whites who hate us openly now and will surely be a living hell for our decedents!

"....and if whites become a minority our children will be chased down the streets by mobs of non whites who hate us openly now and will surely be a living hell for our decedents!"

Now that has to be one of the funniest things I have read in a while!

You have set the standard, sir: the bigger the jerk, the more he actually needs a gun.

No , it's the straw purchasers in cahoots with the gun store owners. "Wink, wink, nod,nod " Just supporting a person's "God Given Right"

That is just like the sticker "For Entertainment Purposes Only" placed on every fruit machine in every bar!

these self haters probably don't need guns they will just hand their stuff to any and all non whites, but i am not going to give these invaders shit, unless they like lead! WPWW never back down and never surrender.

FIFA, when they are found guilty of a crime and sentenced to death the sentence should not take 10 years to deliver the punishment.

Walk them outside and end their life with a public execution of the public choice.

Not only would that mitigate the costs but just may cause anyone thinking of doing that kind of crime to think twice about it!

Huh? No, it's called being even bigger fans of other people (e.g. Hilary). Get it now?

They sound familiar.
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
Thou shalt not steal.

1ke and Frankie also like the Sharia law where the women they rape can be beat and killed for their crime. And they don't punish have relations with donkeys.

Liberty and justice for all does not exist, and freedom no longer rings true...

You have no idea AT ALL about the validity of polls, except a 10-foot pole. You need to talk to a statistician.

wtf? Statistics: learn what they are.

right on!

There you go.

Under Shari'a law the family of the victim can require "blood money" in lieu of the death penalty.

Can't we torture them just a little bit too? Electrical wires in sensitive places.

It took 86 comments before Godwin's Law took effect. Not too bad.

How did you ever get so scared may I ask?

"How did you ever get so scared may I ask?"

When we elected the Black Guy President.....

Sue Crandall nee Lorna Sue Doom

While I can relate to your post Sue...it certainly is a great perch for the Patch Pigeons... great work! They don't seem do do well when the truth flies in their face..

Oh, oh Sue...now you've done it...you have no doubt riled up the communista goons. I can just hear their saber rattling, stuttering,and very consistent garbaage flowing vocabulary coming your way.

Right on the money Sue Crandall.

It is called Statistics. A class offered at many places of higher education. Very difficult subject, you should try it, you'd be amazed what you might learn.

True. but its our legal system. They get to appeal over and over and waste state money on lawyer fees, court fees , etc. Do you also know how other countries deal with capital punishment? Talk about immoral, I spent some time in the middle east and had the unforeseen "displeasure" of seeing a public execution. Completely blew me away.

OMG...Stevieeee...your garbaaaage mouth knows no bounds. You are so laughable and so consistently dorky honey child!

Just because you cant afford to live in Hereford doesn't mean you need to insult others!

"You've heard of lieutenant general? Major sergeant? You're a corporal captain." Hawkeye Pierce

http://www.goccp.maryland.gov/capital-punishment/documents/death-penalty-commission-final-report.pdf

I skimmed through and did not see anything about cost comparison with more prisons. Capital cases cost more because Democrats have designed it that way to say it costs more. As for a deterrent. The death penalty is not designed to be a deterrent. It's a punishment. It's pretty clear to see through the Liberal gimmicks.

Who's gonna pay for more prisons?

CP, in the entire country the last 4 years average killings by states was 42 per year. Not really a big number, eh?

A little tough resurrecting the dead innocent ones, eh?

Brian, maybe you're misunderstand: there is no long term financial gain.

yes it would be. But the ends justify the means. Sacrifice a few for the greater good of the many. As time goes on it will drastically reduce the murders. I believe China had an Opium problem until they started killing the dealers and the users. Both who would have been criminals. It solve their Opium problem.

There is long term financial gain. The long term gain is the criminal can no longer commit any crimes therefore saving us money and saving our society the pain and suffering that this criminal will continue to cause.

Brian, have you not heard of "life w/o parole"? That's what we're comparing here.

Jag I have heard of it. Jag have you heard of murder in jail? Life w/o parole still allows the criminal to be able to commit more crimes though it is behind bars.

Dezhbakhsh, H., & Shepherd, J. M. (2006, July). The deterrent effect of capital punishment: Evidence from a judicial experiment. Economic Inquiry, 44(3), 512-535.

Drago, F., Galbiat, R., & Vertova, P. (2009, April). The deterrent effects of prison: Evidence from a natural experiment. The Journal of Political Economy, 117(2), 257-280.

Friesen, L. (2012, October). Certainty of punishment versus severity of punishment: An experimental investigation. Southern Economic Journal, 79(2), 399-421.

Workman, M., & Gathegi, J. (2007, January). Punishment and ethics deterrents: A study of insider security contravention. Journal of the American Society for Information Science and Technology, 58(2), 212-222.

You would agree that there are many studies that disagree with your assertion of the death penalty as a deterrent?

FIFA its not supposed to be a deterrent. It's a punishment for a crime. Deterrent = Gimmick. Nice try.

CP, you have to do better than that, I was replying to Brook's studies that the Death Penalty is a deterrent.

Amnesty International has different take on it than Brook.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issues/death-penalty/us-death-penalty-facts/the-death-penalty-and-deterrence

Correct, CP. "An eye for an eye". Some nations are barbaric enough to think that way. Unfortunately, it sounds like you're proud the US is in that group as opposed to on the side of, oh, every other 1st world country in the world that left the middle ages long ago.

Again it is not supposed to be a deterrent. As for Amnesty...pfff Just another Liberal money maker. To Jag. What's barbaric is the way Libs enslave the lower class with welfare. I don't care what other countries do. They have all been overrun with 3rd world citizens due to their lax lib laws.

I had a feeling CP's problem was with them terrible "libs". At least that is on the table now. Them libs screwed it all up giving them voting rights, eh?

Who's them? think you are superior? Sounds kinda racist to me.

From Google - Superior:
- Adjective
Higher in rank, status, or quality: "a superior officer".
- Noun
A person or thing superior to another in rank, status, or quality, esp. a colleague in a higher position.

CP, now that you mention the word, hmm, food for thought.

And you bring out the race card, c'mon CP, say it ain't so. Remember the women needed to vote or do they? Obama got a bunch more than Romney did.

Almost every recent scientific study on deterrence theory and behavioral patterns agrees that punishment is a better deterrent for average to low self-control individuals, including the use of the death penalty and its effects on murder rates. The article provided by Amnesty.org wasn't peer-reviewed, pulled information from other non-profit non-peer-reviewed articles, and simply re-hashed what was already written by these other organizations.

There are many ~opinion pieces~ that disagree on death penalty as a deterrent. The valid, reliable, and reviewed ~professional articles~ tend to agree that that the death penalty works as a deterrent. I did my research via an academic library, not via Google.

Here the National Resource Council recommends to Congress not to rely on the deterrence effect or any lack thereof.

http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=13363

So, this analysis finds any correlation inconclusive. Therefore we should only look at it from a fiscal standpoint? I suppose we could follow their recommendation, in which case we should leave things exactly as they are and wait for more research.

Unfortunately, O'Malley doesn't want to do that... he wants to pass legislation that changes the current status quo, even though (according to the NRC analysis) there is no proof that the death penalty increases, decreases, or has negligible effect on crime and that policy should not be affected by such until further research is gleaned.

...neither do those sentenced to life w/o parole....

Those who get life w/o parole can and do offend again. It is just behind the prison walls.

I am not all of a sudden concerned about what happens to prisoners. But there are criminals that are serving time but not for crimes punishable by death. Do they deserve to become victims of the murderous criminal who should have been put down?

CP, actually to your first point, some believe it is both. I only believe it is punishment or retribution or revenge.

The reason for the length of time it takes to kill someone is because of the number of innocent people who may have been/were executed. Once that bell is rung it is over. There is a report of one guy being brought back from the dead a couple thousand of years ago.

It's called the right to due process. So sorry we don't mimic North Korea and summarily execute people. Such a shame.

@CP:

Personally I consider that the death penalty could be considered "both" a deterrent and punishment. It seems logical that it does not have to be one or the other, it can be both.

I agree, though, that those damn liberal Founding Fathers are probably a constant pain in your a$$.

I respectfully disagree with you on the first point. You could say any punishment is "retribution" Why make it so expensive that the poor cant afford it?

"It's called the right to due process. So sorry we don't mimic North Korea and summarily execute people. Such a shame." Not "the best among us" as I said.

Really? Uninformed comes to mind.
Obama Kill List
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/obama-kill-list

Sanchez, you appear to be in way over your head. Drone strikes is a completely separate issue and you claiming terrorists and militants deserve due process under U.S. law is flat dumb. We're talking about the trial and conviction of U.S. citizens in a court of law. Not about a battlefield in Afghanistan. Get it, buddy?

"and you claiming terrorists and militants deserve due process under U.S. law is flat dumb. "

Wow!! Who is out of the league jagoff? I never thought you were that uninformed. The ignorance in your comment is just astonishing. Astonishingly ignorant, uninformed and idiotic. Just as i showed how ignorant you were in the last comment, I will show how ignorant you are in this one. Like shooting fish in a barrel. Too easy.

"Obama still favors civil trial for 9/11 masterminds, gov't officials say"
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/obama-favors-civil-trial-9-11-masterminds-gov-officials-article-1.174656#ixzz2IpC6FfdF

"Obama Adminisration's Civil Terror-Trial Meltdown"
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/11/19/eric_holders_fiasco_108013.html

"Eric Holder Defends Civilian Trials For Terrorists "
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/16/eric-holder-civilian-trials-terrorism_n_878750.html

jagoff, when you are too fast to claim someone is "dumb" you should really know what you are talking about. As I said before, you radical partisans hate anything said by anyone to your right no0 matter who on your side says the same thing.
THAT is irrational.

Sanchez, I honestly can't tell if you're joking around or not. In case you're not, the obvious difference is that 1 instance is discussing the prospective trial of CAPTURED terrorists while the other is discussing attacking terrorists IN THEATER. You're trying to say that it should be illegal for the United States to kill enemies on the battlefield, which is remarkably dumb. Even dumber than you claiming there's a logical, and legal, connection between the death penalty and military combat. This is honestly one of your stupider comments, kid, and that's saying a lot. Just go play some video games or something.

I am correct, you are that uninformed and ignorant. You can't wiggle out of that no matter how hard you try.

Sanchez, just because you say so doesn't make your truly insane claims about drone strikes and terrorists any less dumb. You just don't even make sense sometimes. It's been clear for a looooooong time that you're not the sharpest tool in the shed, but instances like this make me wonder if you're in fact "all there" or not.

This is as clear as fresh water.
jag stated "you claiming terrorists and militants deserve due process under U.S. law is flat dumb."

I showed that his Messiah and none other than the US Attorney General have fought for civil trials for international terrorists no matter where they are captured. Even for KSM, the mastermind of September 11 2001 attack. There HAS BEEN civil trials for terrorists in the US.

Nothing you can write or say will negate those facts. Noting can negate the facts you were wrong and now whining about it.

OF COURSE, because THEY'RE CAPTURED. That doesn't mean all terrorists MUST be captured or that your claim that this has anything to do with the death penalty makes any sense at all. Good lord you have got to be kidding me. Please tell me you're joking and are actually capable of seeing these obvious differences.

Mass murder competition...promoted by the liberal owned media... coming to a neighborhood near you...media starts the spin, politicians jump all over it and the vicious cycle continues...dumb asses..

Yup, that liberal owned Fox News doesn't show these shootings.

Doug, this December 15th video has been proven false many times over. Give it a rest.

Here is the report from the day after Pete Williams screwed his report up. Your link is how urban legends are made. Ridiculous and intentional.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/12/coroner_newtown_gunman_adam_la.html

@ Frank We will never know if he would have been deterred by the death penalty. What we do know is that he was not deterred by not having an absolute death penalty.

@ Frank your question can not be answered. So maybe it is possible you suck at asking questions?

Absolutely true, Frank. I have a friend who is a classicist veteran of the City Schools. Hearing his exposition of contemporary urban culture in the context of the Hellenistic Period is a wonderful learning experience

From the LA Times comes your answer - "Hanging" Judge McCartin explains why as he speaks about a killer he sentenced to die over 30 years ago.

"I need not go into the permutations of Alcala's [the killer] legal journey. Behind bars since 1979, he has not harmed, nor can he harm, any other young women. But harm has been done, and that's what infuriates me. Robin Samsoe's mother has been revictimized time and time again as the state of California spent millions upon millions of dollars in unsuccessful attempts to finally resolve the case against her daughter's murderer.

Had I known then what I know now, I would have given Alcala and the others the alternative sentence of life in prison without the possibility of parole. Had I done that, Robin's mother, Marianne, would have been spared the pain of 30 appeals and writs and retrial. She could have dealt then and there with the fact that her daughter's killer would be shut away, never again to see a day of freedom, and gone on to put her life together. And the people of California would have not have had to pay many millions of tax dollars in this meaningless and ultimately fruitless pursuit of death."

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/25/opinion/la-oe-mccartin-death-penalty-20110325

In reference to the 801 it is called Science.

@MarkV

When you own the paper/website/etc. "breaking news" can be anything the owner chooses. Generally speaking, I'm not a "poll" person either. In addition nays or yas regarding a certain poll tends to depend on the result of said poll.

Mark Twain quote:
"Figures often beguile me," he wrote, "particularly when I have the arranging of them myself; in which case the remark attributed to Disraeli would often apply with justice and force: 'There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.'"

Actually, according to my statistics knowledge (and the formula), given the Maryland population you only need ~385 polled people to have a 95% confidence level with an interval of 5%. At ~800 polled people, you could have a 95% confidence level with an interval of 4.5%.

Amusingly, to have a 99% confidence level (+/- 5%) in Maryland, you need ~666 people... let the religious nuts chew on that.

@Jeff, two words come to mind - Nate Silver.

Another professional wrestling fan with an Internet connection and a captive audience.

Confused by some of the postings, Gill?

Revenge is sweet.

Reading is an amazing exercise.

http://www.goccp.maryland.gov/capital-punishment/documents/death-penalty-commission-final-report.pdf

Traveling with him hopefully to Idaho.

Watcha been doing moving back and forth between Pennsylvania and Hampden, looking for a cheap house that's now under water?

Actually an extraordinary statistician I believe, but understands the business really well.

Jeff, it is called science. It works. You see what it costs inside the walls but you do not care what it costs outside of the walls? Could you give a needle to an innocent man or woman. Say the chance was 5%? Science says that means 1 out of 20 you murdered. You can live with that. If so, you are sick and belong on the other side of the bars.

Have a good day.

The average cost to house feed and support an inmate in a local and state facility depending on the programs the department has offered ranges from $ 26,000.00 to 38,000.00 per year. That is a salery of some lowly paid employees. Mulitply that by the number of inmates incarcirated across the state is over 23,000.00 not including the local jurisdictions so just with inmates incarcerated in the state facilitys that comes to 598,000,000. That five hundred ninty eight million dollars.

It costs millions to put someone to death Jeff. Go read and put you six shooter away for awhile.

Very few are on death row, that is what we are talking about, Jeff.

PS - it looks bad "pole" versus "poll".

Jeff, I agree 800 is nothing and not BREAKING NEWS!

Mark5IQ - but you sure did believe that 800 when Fox said Romney in a landslide? Eh?

Jeff, many of those found innocent would be DEAD if they had limited appeals. Is that just a cost of doing business. How many innocent people are you willing to MURDER to accomplish your goal? Please tell us?

I dont understand how people can oppose the death penalty so vehemently, yet they have no problem with killing unborn children through abortion.

Adults being put to death by a government =\= a fetus being terminated by a mother. Though I do agree that anyone pro-life (which I, personally, am) certainly can't be pro-death penalty. That wouldn't make sense at all.

Chris W. probably is a personhood amendment supporter too.

Just pointing out a contradiction. I find it humorous that you guys can defend 15+ years of appeals for a scumbag, But give no chance to the unborn.

I can respect those with consistent opinions (either side) on abortion and the death penalty.

Chris W, you support the 2nd amendment without any question. But you then question the rulings of the Supreme Court on things you don't support? Who is being hypocritical here? Is it a crowded bus?

FIFA, Roe V wade is settled law. Just like the second amendment being an individual right. Whether I agree with either is moot. It is what It is. The only way to change either is through a constitutional amendment. And that's been my point all along.

That is where you and I disagree Chris W. CJ Roberts talked about settled law but I don't believe he will follow through when it comes to abortion. I believe four members of the SCOTUS would overturn Roe v Wade in a blip. I also believe Heller is only as good as the 5-4 decision handed down five years ago. I see Obama for the next four and either Biden or Clinton for the next 8. That will change the make-up of the court and Heller will be at risk as written. What does that mean, you can own a gun but with a lot more restrictions imposed on you by the various states and cities.

But until then the only guaranteed outcome is death by gun, just when and where. Sort of random actually other than the inner city gangs and drug trade.

But if I could predict the future I would be at the casinos and Wall Street.

FIFA,

I'm not surprised by your view.

For me it is a question of consistency. Our legal system is based on precedent. Lower courts may disagree on a particular issue, but once SCOTUS rules, that's it.

The rare exceptions where SCOTUS has reversed itself were in cases where they wrongfully ignored very basic rights such as prior support of the Jim Crowe laws, and more recently the state and local sodomy laws.

Whether you or I like one or the other, Roe and Heller are both precedent that cannot easily be set aside. The whole point is to avoid taking sides politically. A more liberal court may have decided Heller differently, but is has now been decided. To reverse decisions based on shifting political support would undermine confidence in the judicial system.

You left out hanging, the method until 1955. The first use of lethal gas was in the summer of 1957.

Firing squads would work too.

someone that excutes innocent children....

i agree on the death penalty completely, but most cops know the facts about abortion when we have legal abortion it keeps the non White population down and also the future crime rates. Most Abortions that take place are mothers with absentee fathers, and we all know who they mostly are!

LOL...Fido likes to take on all comers? Nope. In fact, he's about to get those subatomic particles he calls gonads handed to him.

RMI, me and my "immature" buddies although we sometimes make fun of the idiocy we see on the Patch are not ignorant fools as you may perceive. I'd put them on my team any day of the week. But you are a hypocrite if you do not see taking a life for any reason you feel is justified and then being anti-abortion is not hypocritical. Of course even the Catholic Church agrees with me and I never agree with them. Who in society has the right to say taking a life is okay? We kill people routinely in other countries, who are we to say that is okay, your god? We are justified. You of course just wish to reduce it to a name calling contest, it probably is a bit more complicated than that, you think?

Quick BO, delete your post, Bryan is watching you. How long before you delete it? How quick is Bryan? That is the question.

Get on back to weeping, Fido. The excruciating butthurt is just beginning. LMAO

As for your comment, Fido you moron, you actually think wasting your life on a forum accomplishes something? ROTFLMAO

And here he comes, Beeee Ooohhhh!!!

Ah, Ike. How's life in the hospice ward? It looks like the whole "Stanker" hate cult is here. But where's the "Stank" himself?

I am for the death penalty see my statement below...but biased on Abortion...I agree with George Washington most people that have abortions are low income, single mothers, young mothers, uneducated mothers, and as statistics are in stone these children will grow up and repeat the cycle and or become statics theirselves. No abortion should not be a form of birth control over and over again...but why force the person to have a child they dont want (and should have protected theirselves from either producing), for the child to be neglected, barely taken care of or either but up for adoption)

Jay agreed - two issues I believe are important to review. First, the name John Thanos. To those unsure of who he is, please do a search on him and what he did and intended to do.
Second, having the death penalty at least available is huge for these cowardly murderers who attempt to control proceedings by NOT disclosing where bodies of their victims are. They are cowards and don't want to die. The families of vicitms simply want to bury their loved ones in peace and get closure. Not having the death penalty to negotiate with these murderers in order to give up the location of the body in exchange for life in prison instead of death is taken away from the family.
Again, the liberal knee jerk reaction at work.

There should be more inmates like Robert Gleason, who begged to be executed and murdered a couple of his cellmates.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/19/robert-gleasons-last-words_n_2511254.html

Yeah, jailbirds are a sweet lot, aren't they Ike? You take them all into your neighborhood them, the sex freaks included.

So are correctional officers. Is that your livelihood? Where you learned everything you know?

You really have no idea about the difference between good and evil, do you Ike?

I get a little tired of your homoerotic jailhouse rants, Bee Oh, is the message. Are you good or evil? Answer that and I will answer your question.

Is "Deliverance" based on yours, "Stank"?

I am on the side of righteousness, Ike.

Squeal, "Stank" piggie, squeal! LMAO

Speak into the microphone, Ike. Don't ramble and rant incessantly at the crappy cards you were dealt.

What would you describe it as Frank? Please share your brilliance on the subject.

amark: Interestingly enough, 8 of the 10 wealthies states are "hard left" as you say.
Also, the highest population states almost entirely vote Democrat.

If you guys want to move to one of those intellectually and technologically deficient western states, by all means....don't let the door hit your collective asses on the way out.

I don't love much of what O"Malley spews, but suggesting this state is 'in trouble' is patently, factually false.

Tim let me save you the embarrassment here of posing such at best misleading and at worst dishonest gibberish. First of all you didn't even list the 10 states you are referring to. That would have been a good place to start. Also are we talking per capita income? Because yes many of those are leftist, so what? Are you drawing the conclusion that liberal legislation has led to such prosperity for the people? Many other "rich" states (CA, IL, NY, NJ) are basically bankrupt because of guess what? LIberal policies! I know, I know.... the liberals on the patch and elsewhere believe they are ALWAYS the smartest and they look down their elite noses at those who don't share their socialist views. Owe'malley is a perfect example of that. You know the guy who you: "don't love much of what (he) spews". LOL.

DARRELL, are you really that ignorant? A poll is a sample of the electorate. There are more people in the three areas you selected so more of them are sampled. Gosh, how did you ever figure out how to have children?

LOL...Fido the poodle sticks his head back out of the hole.

Well considering Obama got 90% of the vote in PG Co, and about 70% in Montgomery and that they are the two biggest counties in the state, it's not surprising that the poll shows these results. Of course there will be more people sampled in those places than say Garrett Co. although I don't know what the number of colleges in those places has to do with anything.

Frank did you even bother to read what I wrote? I was essentially agreeing with the point about the larger counties. Maybe if you took the time to actually read the comments for once instead of waiting to insult someone (as you are obviously so smart, LOL). You are the nastiest, most mean spirited and vile person on the Patch and I really have no use for you.

@Jill

Yes, repeal the death penalty. Also eliminate abortion (except under certain circumstances).

Just because one hospital which happens to be a Catholic ran facility says that, does not mean the entire Catholic Church thinks that. That's a load of bs. Especially to say something on a day like today. Which is March for Life.

When it comes to money, the Catholic Church sure does know how to protect it. When it comes to adolescent children, they have not been so good at it.

Always casting about for straws aren't you Stevee darling...you'll grab anything in a storm to further the agenda of your comrades. Be careful you don't end up on the short end of their stick, honey child.

Some people think 9/11 was a government conspiracy and also believe we have a Hawaiian Kenyan Usurper Devil Baby as President.

Go read and learn here - http://www.goccp.maryland.gov/capital-punishment/documents/death-penalty-commission-final-report.pdf

I think the same thing of children: it is cheaper to kill them off than supporting/housing/feeding/clothing them.

And that kind of thinking is precisely why you find yourself suffering from your grievous ailments in the hospice ward, Ike.

Electric chairs require 2,000 + volts.

Actually, correction to my statement: assault weapons are already incredibly highly regulated. In order to own one legally, you need a special gun license that costs nearly 20K to get, the money to buy one (50K-100K is the going prices for one), and a bunch of other stuff to adhere to the regulations on the special gun license.

Assault weapons are NOT a real worry in the real world.