Good lord. I think Pepco is incompetent and borderline evil but if you're worried about this I hope you've removed the wireless routers from your homes, since they put out a lot more electromagnetic cooties than a smart meter and transmit a lot more private data.

And American Academy of Environmental Medicine also wants to ban fluoride and is not exactly a fountain of scientific respectability. http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/environmental-medicine/

Things:

This could be Christine Hoch. Her comments have links to the Center for Safer Wireless, an anti-wireless quacktivist website.

Check out her appearance on this show:

www.spingola.com/October2011.html

In case you don't know, Spingola is a hard-core Holocaust-denier, zionist-conspiracist and anti-semite. A visit of Spingola's site and a few searches will confirm this.

Christine Hoch's and the Center for Safer Wireless' shameless self-promotion via a hate-filled radio station should tell you quite a bit about the organization.

Malaprop - Most of your comment is irrelevant to the topic of discussion!!! Why are you talking about Spingola here. Christine's appearance on his show or whatever, does not mean she believes in the same ideology..

@AntonFIsher: Why is it irrelevant to the topic to question the credentials and knowledge of someone who is posting what they claim to be scientific information?

Does someone appearance on FOX news make them conservative and believe in what FOX stands for? Absolutely not,...That is my point.

@Anton

What world do you live in?

An executive director of a 501(c)3 organization has no business going on a hate mongering radio station -- period. Christine Hoch at the very least chose unwise company.

The Center For Safer Wireless, ostensibly an established to educate the public on wireless safety, is a pseudoscience, quack organization that misinforms the public.

By promoting conspiracy theories about wireless industry and government, they inevitably cross paths with hard-core 9/11 and zionist conspiracy theorists. The appearance on Spingola's hate radio station is a consequence of reckless accusations.

I would love to see some competent, investigative reporting of this organization and the many others that are similar. People should see how these tax exempt dollars are put to use.

Malaprop - I bet you would find no problem if she appeared on Rush Limbaugh's show. Would you?

@Malaprop
watch out with that VITRIOL regurgitation habit of yours!
It will not be long before you lose any semblance of ethic and propriety in your dealings with the world.
Society to this day has not accepted outcasts!
Do you really want to be in that minority?

@Things
Cell Phones and Wireless Routers can be TURNED OFF!

SMART METERS ARE FOR EVER and there is NO ESCAPE!
They Radiate you 24/7/365 Till you REACH your Saturation point, and THEN BINGO you have just joined the EHS Society!
While PEPCO banked the profits of your Misfortune.

Um, light is electromagnetic radiation. Those towers between Westchester drive and Amherst off 193? EMR. You are reacting to the word radiation as if it is a bad thing. If you heat a pot of water, it is giving off EMR in the form of Infrared Radiation. It just so happens that a certain tiny fraction of the spectrum resonates with things like water, in the same way a certain tiny fraction resonates with the cells in your eyes.

Jeebus, radiowaves are non ionizing radiation. Doesn't do crappola to molecular structures. Please remove tinfoil hat and resume your meds.

@Tom Termini
Wrong, you should probably stop misinforming people and take a chemistry class. Molecular vibrations typically occur in the infrared. Molecular rotations will typically occur in the microwave region (dipole only molecules such as water). While the vast majority of these interactions will result in very small effects, non ionizing radiation does effect molecules.

@Things
This has to do with that flouride statement. Regardless whether Flouride has benefit or not, it is not ethical to treat patients who may not want it. There is no way to track dose. Some people drink more water than others. It was a noble idea, but it really wasn't implemented the way it should have been. If they want to do it, force it on the kids in the schools in specific doses and allow patients to opt out.

I will also say that I'm not so sure that the effects of these are doing everything people are claiming. But ill be damned if I'm going to be the one claiming money 10 years down the road because of some cancer that this shit has caused. If it was banned in other countries I'd like to see the studies PEPCO has conducted showing that those countries were wrong in banning it.
http://stopsmartmeters.org/2013/02/21/pepco-caught-in-lie-about-smart-meter-rf-frequency/

And stop lying about it.
http://www.wusa9.com/news/article/244277/187/Smart-Meters-May-Emit-Radiation-More-Frequently-than-Pepco-Admits

With all of the reports in the news of linking cell phones to brain cancer, I don't know anyone using a cell phone 'stuck to their ear'. Most people heed the warnings when something is found to be a health risk. Now, a difference between cell phones and SMeters is the fact that cell phones are OPTIONAL and SMeters aren't (for now) despite Federal law proscribing them as such. And, you can turn off your cell phone, keep it away from your body etc - take precautions. You cannot do that with a SMeter. It is more exposure than cell phones and whole body exposure.

Olle Johansson, PhD Announcing Seletun Scientific Statement.
Biological Hazards and Risks to the Genetic Code from Unchecked Proliferation of Wireless Technologies.
http://vimeo.com/18018440

jag...some also think that "IGNORANCE IS BLISS!", Practice it and leave blissful lives!
You are in GOOD COMPANY there!

GOVERNMENTS AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT BAN OR WARN AGAINST WIRELESS TECHNOLOGY

http://www.cellphonetaskforce.org/?page_id=128

Sharp Shooter!
Is there a message you are trying to convey with your comment?
Or are you merely keyboarding and exercise in stupidity?
Inquiring minds want to know!
In the Interest of Progress , information dissemination and knowledge of course!

Smart Meter Dangers: The Health Hazards of Wireless Electromagnetic Radiation Exposure
The Latest from Dr. David O. Carpenter

by Dr. Ilya Sandra Perlingieri
"With broken and unethical global social mores, this is considered standard business practice: to deceive customers, while gaining enormous profits. As long as a “revolving-door” policy remains between corporations and [no longer] public agencies, citizens will not have their medically validated concerns ever addressed. The corporate bottom line, profit, is what counts –not our well-being and safety. Further, the synergistic effects of various wireless technologies combined with other environmental toxins to which we all are exposed daily have not been tested."
More .....follow the link Below!
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=31891

80% of households with Smart Meters has seen an increase - sometimes 2-3x as much. In other parts of MD, the Smart Meter project is to cost about $5-700M and the other utility (BGE) received $200M (more than Pepco) from the DOE. Who do YOU think will make up the difference?

Traci, mine went down. What is the source for your claim?

I think the smart meters will be a good idea for smart billing. Rates increase during high-demand hours and decrease during low-demand hours. This would result in trends where people start doing their laundry and similar type of activities during low-demand time. This actually could end up being a major part of the solution to our energy problems since we will be distributing demand of electric power throughout the day instead of peaking demand for a few hours during the day and then idling the power stations for most of the time.

It is NOT JUST YOUR MONEY they are after!
It is population control!
With the SMART Meter which is equipped with the LATCHING RELAY, when You do not Behave "appropriately" it is a matter of a computer key stroke and you are OFF THE POWER GRID! ..................................an INDIVIDUAL Emergency like lightning out of the BLUE JUST FOR YOU!

@Theresa Defino - The Maryland Public Service Commission is the source. The utilities are planning to increase our rates to recover their costs for this science experiment. (not to mention the class action suits).

There is electronic evidence that Pepco's meters pulse CONTINUOUSLY and not the "2 minutes per day" as the utility originally allege.

MS
There is Nothing like comments consisting of DRIVEL, to keep this discussion going until the IDIOTS have seen the LIGHT!

I for one, Thank you for your input!

To control thermostat temperature is a different program at Pepco. It is called Energy Wise Rewards program. Smart meters have nothing to do with it.

"the" is spelled 'the'. not 't-h-i-e'. just sayin.

Freedom, Welcome to the 21ST century where the concept and expectation of such, has been eradicated in the name of PUBLIC INTEREST!

Mine is set at 78. When is the "government" going to reward me for my good behavior?

huh?

Alright, Frank. What's your Fark.com handle?

funny, frank!

Evidence of this sort might have interest for you, but for most readers it's just anecdotal. We have no idea of how much truth there is in this story, what distortions were communicated to you and whether you have conveyed it properly.

However, you are entitled to state your case, however weak it may be.

But wait there's more - installation of Smart Meters has caused 900+ fires. A friend of mine is an insurance claim rep and has processed several. THAT, Malaprop, is NOT anecdotal but demonstrative evidence.

@Malaprop
Well what have we here? The old cast dispersion and doubt , Sophistry and confusion expert "Malaprop" on the ready.
These boards are available to people to express their opinions and recount their experiences.
And then we have "Malaprop"............ popping up with his drivel logic every time a poster's input is found to be NOT FAVORABLE to the UTILITIES!

Traci:

Wikipedia has a good treatment of anecdotal evidence. From your post above, it would do you well to read it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

Morris
The Electric Power Company does not need Smart Meters to tell them where the power outages may exists. There are rate payers on the other end and they have telephones.
Regarding your comment of people being wasteful with their energy, does not hold to economic logic. Particularly at times of economic distress as the world is experiencing as we speak, and for an extended period of time.
your arguments are biased, as if you were a PEPCO executive or financial Beneficiary.
PEPCO is world renowned for it's crappy customer service and SMART METERS will not make them better.

My focus is on the health issues, although given your judgement on that I have no basis for trusting you on the others.

On the health issue, you have repeatedly presented falsehoods, quackery and unscientific statements. I have indicated these to you repeatedly, you refuse to answer, and you continue your practice of misinformation.

So let's go over some of your statements again, and perhaps you can respond.

1) In one post you asked: "Do tell me how you can prove them safe/"
Please tell us how something is proven safe.

2) You claim that the Karolinska Institute issues a "GLOBAL HEALTH WARNING" against smart meters. Please show us an official release from Karolinska, on their website ki.se. I provided two links to ki.se that make contrary claims about the effect of RF on health.

3) You presented an opinion from the American Academy of Environmental Medicine. Here is a link to the charges against their past president:
http://www.casewatch.org/board/med/rea/complaint.shtml

4) It is my opinion that Christine Hoch's appearance on Deanna Spingola is contemptible as is the CFSW board's silence on this appearance. What relationship is there between your organization and CFSW? How do you feel and Ms. Hoch's appearance on Spingola?

@Frank

The STUPID QUESTIONS,
Do you Use a Cell phone, a Microwave Oven , a wireless router.
Have been asked Before! Which IMMEDIATELY identifies the questioner as one that IGNORANT of the SUBJECT MATTER!

The intention of the one fielding the question, is ALWAYS to point out, that in the Modern World you are being MICROWAVED at VARIOUS INTENSITIES , UNKNOWN to you as you Go about, your daily life.

THUS attempting to misguide the reader to conclude......SO what difference does it make if one more gadget is introduced in your life radiating at you in some LOW LEVEL INTENSITY or another.

AND THE ANSWER IS "CUMULATIVE EFFECTS"

On page 16 of subject article "Stress effects are well known to cumulate over time and involve first adaptation and then an eventual break down of homeostatic processes."

And the astute Individual will take heed and appropriate Precautions to LIMIT RF EXPOSURE to the extent possible, Because when the DAM breaks you become EHS and the SHOW of a NORMAL life is OVER for YOU! and that is if you do not come down with CANCER.

@Frank

Please refrain and do not force me to make any comparison regarding ...... amoebas!
Examples of the adverse effects of SMART METER RADIATION the WWW is replete with! One only has to Google "Smart Meter Problems" to find out.
here is one http://stopsmartmeters.org/2011/11/01/pge-begins-removing-smart-meters-due-to-health-effects/

And the SMPS Dirty Electricity http://eon3emfblog.net/?p=2180

Smart Meters ENABLE INDIVIDUAL CONTROL of Power Distribution By NGOs
Who is to determine how that control can be used and abused?

Now regarding Population control start Here http://reality-2012.blogspot.com/p/test-page.html

@Frank.

The Item of importance here is that you keep reading and responding!
and with study EDUCATION is BOUND to Follow.

Nobody is as Brilliant, studied or educated as me, in the matters I speak.
So it is expected that their road to wisdom, will be long and arduous.

But your moment of awakening will arrive.
Just give it time and keep reading!

Theresa D.
I doubt Maryland PSC keeps ratepayers Billing Data and statistics..
Smart meters come with a multitude of concerns that do not become apparent at first glance or thought.

Look here of an education what you could be faced with: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3ABCMXdUxMAQlAyTFRER0NxLW8/edit

really, george? what do you think pepco presents to get approval for rate increases if not use data and statistics?

Theresa D ,
If the data you are seeking is available with the PSC, Why Pray tell are you not doing your own Independent and UN-BIASED research?
Having made it here...you can also make it to the PSC and let us know of your findings.
You are Barking up the wrong Tree.
Here are the real concerns.
http://weepnews.blogspot.com/2010/09/stratford-death-by-smart-meter-cbc.html

@FRANK
In the USA would be Goldman Sacks.
You read what you will in it.
It is getting even with the perpetrators of evil doings that is of importance.

Unfortunately, the Indoctrination of "POLITICAL CORRECTNESS" that has many a common folk befuddled and in straight jackets, with side blinders running amok and snitching on their fellow citizen.

Keep reading, and even you shall be awakened.
The truth shall set you FREE!

Frank:

George is a troll. He's now dabbling in anti-semitism to see if he can get some more attention (note his remark yesterday about "HORNS"). Please limit responses to him -- if you need to respond at all as this dialog does nothing to contribute to the discussion here.

But they MOST CERTAINLY DO!
AS I INDICATED!
A Clear example where when the PEOPLE Mobilize and ACT, they GET solutions that serve their collective benefit!

The SEVENTY PEPCO Ratepayers opting OUT is Nothing but the PRIME to the PUMP on the way to SEVEN HUNDRED and then, The entire PEPCO Installed base.
SMART METERS HAVE NO PLACE in our LIVES.

@FRANK.
I am happy to have made your day!
Keep reading.
Smart meter Kills shrubs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsuP_WBBr2c

@FRANK
Perhaps people's adverse effects to SMs will be more to your liking!
http://smartmeterskill.com/?paged=9

@Frank.
Understandable in the age of SMART PHONES, Tex-ting and one syllable communications.

What I tell people, it is NOT ADHD stupid...It is the environment!

For you Frank , get your focus together, and try to get past the word - fibromyalgia -
as understandably it is a TWO Syllable word and you have to work at 200% capacity.

Here is your before & after Shrubs evidence of SMART METER Dangers.
http://stopsmartmeters.org/2011/04/08/shrubs-dont-lie/

Things.
The Befuddled bemused and bewildered have learned their lines by those that have them mentally, physically and psychologically subjugated.

It is the rare individual that can think outside the box anymore.
AND, Seventy of them in the subject article have shown that it is possible and that it can be done.

"SMART" it the catch phrase of the day, when any technological abomination is to be sold to the public, subliminally suggesting, that to be opposed one MUST BE STUPID!
SMART meters Rolled out in Europe and Australia First, Before you even had the opportunity to hear the word, and it has NOTHING to do with Americanism.
...and the CAPS are for Emphasis.

http://www.causes.com/causes/594297-american-coalition-against-smart-meters

@Frank is it you in your Prior Life was called "Malaprop"?
Not Birds of a feather...just the same Mockingbird!

And I ask Traci again:

Where is the evidence that Karolinska has issues a "GLOBAL HEALTH ALERT?" Why would a prestigious research organization squirrel the document on scribd instead of its own website? Unless of course, that it's not really from Karolinska but a demoted, disgraced, Misleader of the Year 2004 who wrote that letter.

@Malaprop
The web is REPLETE with REFERENCES to the KAROLINSKA GLOBAL HEALTH ALERT you have been so BENT OUT OF SHAPE in QUESTIONING!
http://electromagnetichealth.org/electromagnetic-health-blog/the-seletun-statement/
and Just I found it you can too, PRESUMING that you have an interest in getting into the direction of the TRUTH.
In the alternative you could e-mail or CALL the author himself...(Journalists wanting to read the full published paper, please contact Dr. Johansson at Olle.Johansson@ki.se or +46-(0)8-52487073)

AND keep in MIND Malaprop....."Those that live in GLASS HOUSES, should NOT THROW STONES!"

@FRANK
Congrats For a JOB well DONE FRANK!
Every Town or Forum needs a LOCAL TOWN FOOL!

Your Contributions as the COURT JESTER! Are Greatly Appreciated and You are encouraged to keep it Up for the duration!
ADHD and ALL MIND YOU!
You are almost there to asymptotically touch ZERO for INTELLIGENCE!
Understanding that it takes a lot of work for some just to add up to a ZERO!

Baily H.
What is it you want to debate!
Post your question here.

a logical fallacy and ad hominem aren't the same thing.

Get on with it Bailey.
ASK the FIRST Smart Meter question in your Mind.

bailey, YOU could, not me, thanks... i don't know if you are trying to show you are smart but people think of ad hominem as a personal attack. if you want people to not do that, say so...

@FRANK
NICE TRY Save for the proceedings being listed by NIH as an abstract where another six practitioners in the field are co-signers. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21268443

In November, 2009, a scientific panel met in Seletun, Norway, for three days of intensive discussion on existing scientific evidence and public health implications of the unprecedented global exposures to artificial electromagnetic fields (EMF). EMF exposures (static to 300 GHz) result from the use of electric power and from wireless telecommunications technologies for voice and data transmission, energy, security, military and radar use in weather and transportation. The Scientific Panel recognizes that the body of evidence on EMF requires a new approach to protection of public health; the growth and development of the fetus, and of children; and argues for strong preventative actions. New, biologically-based public exposure standards are urgently needed to protect public health worldwide.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22263702
Brain proteome response following whole body exposure of mice to mobile phone or wireless DECT base radiation.

ABSTRACT .............. Comparative proteomics analysis revealed that long-term irradiation from both EMF sources altered significantly (p < 0.05) the expression of 143 proteins in total (as low as 0.003 fold downregulation up to 114 fold overexpression). Several neural function related proteins (i.e., Glial Fibrillary Acidic Protein (GFAP), Alpha-synuclein, Glia Maturation Factor beta (GMF), and apolipoprotein E (apoE)), heat shock proteins, and cytoskeletal proteins (i.e., Neurofilaments and tropomodulin) are included in this list as well as proteins of the brain metabolism (i.e., Aspartate aminotransferase, Glutamate dehydrogenase) to nearly all brain regions studied. Western blot analysis on selected proteins confirmed the proteomics data. The observed protein expression changes may be related to brain plasticity alterations, indicative of oxidative stress in the nervous system or involved in apoptosis and might potentially explain human health hazards reported so far, such as headaches, sleep disturbance, fatigue, memory deficits, and brain tumor long-term induction under similar exposure conditions.

Tom
My research from POWER Industry Sources has revealed that the SMART GRID/METER Roll-out has been a SINKING MONEY Pitt.
and that is if you do not take into account fiascoes like these.
***Texas woman hit with $1.3 million-plus electric bill ***
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/texas-woman-hit-1-3-million-electric-bill-165517099.html?ugccmtnav=v1%2Fcomments%2Fcontext%2Fa650d535-f8b1-3a11-9aa2-d9a64d306206%2Fcomments%3Fcount%3D20%26sortBy%3Doldest

Tom - thanks for being the voice of reason. You've obviously got a lot more self-restraint than I do.

@FRANK.
IT GOES PRECISELY to the TECHNOLOGY!

A simple meter reading of an analog meter, because of the CONVOLUTED DIGITAL technology, to get to the bottom of the Error, One has to BE a FORENSIC INVESTIGATOR, to collect , (If the utility will release) the ACTUAL METERING DATA, ANALYSE and try to figure out what happened.

This AUSTRALIAN GUY, IS and Electrical Engineer, an ANALYST, Investigator by background, and to MY UNDERSTANDING he still has not gotten to the bottom of it or find a successful resolution.

IF an ANALOG METER was standing as a GATE KEEPER between HIM and The ELECTRIC COMPANY!
NONE of these problems would be taking place.

People FRANK, want to go about their LIVES and not spend their time monitoring the electric company and how it is operating.

KEEP IT SIMPLE and SWEET works here BEST, if it has worked anywhere.

SMART METERS have ONE and ONLY ONE APPLICATION....To keep the ratepayer, bemused , befuddled and bewildered and and ABOVE ALL under TECHNOCRATIC CONTROL!

I give up. You win the thread George.

@Things
This is not about winning or losing!
It is about Getting people to think outside the Box!
Some wise person once said.

"Minds are like Parachutes!....They Function BEST when OPEN"
BY quitting you Indicate that you have closed yours, and that is SAD!

Quack!

The article was authored "Safe School Committee," an anti-wireless extremist group.

"On May 23, 2012, Women’s College Hospital hosted a workshop and invited physicians, experts and patients to share and discuss ideas related to EMS."

So they can fleece more money from their gullible patients.

"Dr. Riina Bray, their Medical Director, said, “We need to create more awareness about this condition. Health-care practitioners need to better understand EMS so they can help their patients prevent and manage their symptoms..."

Yup, more money for nothing.

"Among the experts invited was Dr. Magda Havas Associate Professor of Environmental and Resource Studies, Trent University. During her talk... also mentioned the guidelines recently released by the >>>Austrian Medical Association<<< on how to diagnose and treat electrosmog-related illnesses."

Magda Havas -- of course -- and touting the mysterious Austrian Medical Association.

Malaprop.....You can rant all you want!
The Proof in in the Pudding as they say!

Oakland County commissioners pass resolution urging lawmakers to allow residents to reject smart meters WITH VIDEO
http://theoaklandpress.com/articles/2012/06/21/news/doc4fe37ae12ce07986619015.txt

The Smart meter Removal by PEPCO is GREAT news and an Indication that when people Mobilize, they can effect change for their BEST SELF Interest.
Now to Increase the odds that the MARYLAND PSC will Rule for a permanent OPT-OUT.... Be the Town Messenger of GOOD Tidings, and TELL ALL YOUR FRIENDS and NEIGHBORS!

The DEFERRAL did NOT COME EASY, Lets work to make it PERMANENT.
The smart meter fiasco has gone on too long.

BREAKING NEWS MICHIGAN!
BIG VICTORY, and congrats to David Sheldon of Michigan for a well organized and successful campaign and setting this great precedent for the rest of the state and the US! Read story at:

http://michiganstopsmartmeters.com/2012/06/21/smart-meter-victory-in-oakland-county-michigan/

@ScoobyShooter -- Absolutely Brilliant -- ROTFL!

ScoobyShooter.....You forgot the UNDERGROUND Nuclear Hardened shelters, and Joining the "Heavens gate" cult for Good Measure.
Also remember the way they did themselves in, to make SURE THEY CROSSED the GREAT DIVIDE.

And when You come to your senses one hope you will click here: http://michiganstopsmartmeters.com/2012/06/21/smart-meter-victory-in-oakland-county-michigan/
To learn WHY, The Installed BASE of smart Meters around the Country are UP in ARMS.

"Ignorance can be remedied with Education...But STUPID is Forever"
Avail Yourself of the Opportunity!

ScoobyShooter & Malaprop (Good to see you back)...Here is Brilliance, as BY NOW you MUST have absorbed that CELL PHONES and SMART METERS work on the same 900MHZ Band.
Effects of Cell Phone Radiofrequency Signal Exposure on Brain Glucose Metabolism
http://michiganstopsmartmeters.com/2012/06/21/smart-meter-victory-in-oakland-county-michigan/

@FRANK
Yes Frank, The GUY removes the Smart Meter, he is Fighting A BOGUS $25 Law Suit, He says HE WOULD do it again! and YOU HAVE a HEART BURN that the WIFE DID NOT TESTIFY!

Could it be that The wife is indisposed due to some MEDICAL condition that has NOT BEEN MADE PUBLIC?? and AFTER ALL, It is the HUSBAND that REMOVED THE SMART METER BEAST! Who is on the HOOK Legally?

All this Hoopla Proves me RIGHT that the TECHNOCRATS are GETTING (Not yet) TOTALLY OUT OF CONTROL! And YOU FRANK being their Mouthpiece here on this thread are grasping at straws to keep your job, at the face of undisputed DEFEAT! Go back and read the SUBJECT TITLE of this ARTICLE, and keep in mind by the time we get done here the PEPCO OPT-OUTs will rise to seven Hundred.

Ok so that was really helpful to citizens. THIS is the kind of post that should be removed

Traci:

ScoobyShooter's satire is entirely appropriate and not all that far from fact. Christine Hoch of CFSW appeared on the talk show of a rabid anti-semite and we have seen other hints of anti-semitism and conspiracy theory on this board.

He nailed the butchering of science by the anti-wireless groups. His clever mockery was as entertaining as it was revealing.

You appear to have absolutely no scientific training nor capacity for critical thought. What are your credentials since you are the "brains" behind the marylandsmartmeterawareness group?

Tell the PSC: Don’t Reward Incompetence -- No Rate Increase for Pepco!
Please take a minute to send a letter to Public Service Commission Chairman Douglas Nazarian. The PSC will begin to review Pepco's request for a rate hike. Montgomery County residents need to make sure that their concerns are heard. I've written a sample letter which will appear after you put in your zip code, but to be most effective you should write your own or add personal details.
http://dlcc.wiredforchange.com/o/7230/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=95

@FRANK
I have learned long ago NEVER to argue with IDIOTS, Because they drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience.

ASTUTE READERS HERE, Will pay attention to the CONTENT of the MESSAGE and not the FORM!

FRANK...it is OBVIOUS that your POSTS HERE have BEEN VOID OF CONTENT!

@FRANK
Sophistry will get you NO-WHERE1
I told you before ,and at the risk of being OBTUSE I am saying it AGAIN!
CONCENTRATE ON THE CONTENT!
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3ABCMXdUxMAQlAyTFRER0NxLW8/edit
I do not care WHO wrote it!
As a Reader, I care what information it contains and what that information means to me as a ratepayer.

@FRANK!
If YOUR COMMENT "George, your only "content" has been abuse of others commenting here." IS TRUE The PATCH can take appropriate action!
And Most Certainly, Your are ENTITLED To PERCEIVE the WORLD as YOU Please.

You aren't making much more sense than George and you have yet to provide any facts to back up your claims.

@FRANK
I told you before ,and at the risk of being OBTUSE I am saying it AGAIN!
CONCENTRATE ON THE CONTENT!
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3ABCMXdUxMAQlAyTFRER0NxLW8/edit
I do not care WHO wrote it!
As a Reader, I care what information it contains and what that information means to me as a ratepayer.

@FRANK.

Yes we KNOW FRANK....People are testifying in Open forums and Courts Just to deceive you. AND distort the facts of THEIR EXPERIENCES, Just so they can Malign your Beloved SMART METERS!

If anybody, wants to learn about the Downside of SMART Meter on this thread, there is plenty of evidence that has been presented.
For Now, I will go out and collect some opt-out signatures around my neighborhood for awhile.
And yes I am doing it for MY BEST SELF INTEREST, so when I take my walks in the Future, will not have to plan a Gerrymandering path to minimize the effects of Barraged spread spectrum digital pulse RF signals emanating from Smart Meters in my way.

What a wonderful surprise for people in this neighborhood to have an unhinged person knocking on their doors.

@Malaprop
I see you are back out of your cave.
One wonders do you get paid overtime for spewing your mindless drivel on these threads, void of content and substantive value?
Or you feel compelled by some inner destructive force or evil spirit, to never miss an opportunity to demonstrate to the world the level of your ignorance and stupidity!

Inquiring minds want to know.!

Nobody belittled any disease. We are glad to hear that you beat it and recovered (we are a compassionate species).

We also hope that you overcome the ignorance, close-mindedness and (unfortunately) bigotry that misleads you and the other anti-wireless extremists.

@Malaprop
Regarding your comment ..........(we are a compassionate species).
What species might thy be referring to Malaprop? Does one dare guess "Copperhead snakes", "Venomous scorpions" or just plain Smart Meter inbreeds?

Of course, AAEM's is listed on quackwatch, it's former president was brought up on a charges from the Texas Medical Board

http://www.casewatch.org/board/med/rea/order.shtml

and has been criticized for many of its practices:

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/environmental-medicine/

And of course, we have another link to electrosmogprevention which request donations and peddles anti-emf devices to the gullible.

Traci:

Please provide a link to an official statement from Karolinska about it's "GLOBAL HEALTH WARNING" as mentioned in some of your postings. A warning of this nature surely would be on their ki.se website.

Funny, but I could only find articles disputing the risk of cell phone radiation on that site.

For a smart meter technical report (one of three) by a major CA utility that was ordered by an administrative law judge for the CPUC, that shows the pulsing is near constant, every few seconds, like a strobe, to maintain the mesh network, go to http://lamesa.patch.com/blog_posts/revealed-sdge-smart-meter-technical-data-and-bio-effects-of-microwave-radiation. The utilities are all using lies of omission when they are averaging total daily DATA TRANSMISSION vs. the high level pulsing which is all day long. The article above goes into that. All three of the major utilities had to produce this information when ordered to do so, and this exposed their previous misrepresentations, which other utilities around the country are still using. Corporate lies and corporations paying big bucks to keep the lies going, just didn't work when enough Californians raised heck about it and got involved. That is why the people in Maryland are being targeted in this discussion, to snuff out the truth, they likely think you will be passive and they'll get away with this outrage. Don't fall for the lies. To look up the three proceedings and the Nov. 1, 2011 Response of the 3 utilities to the data requests (which will be essentially the same as your utility's plan in MD) enter "CPUC proceeding (number)" with one of these numbers, in a search engine. You can read all the documents then.
A1103015 SDG&E opt-out
A1107020 SCE opt-out
and also
A1106006 Smart Grid Deployment Plan (Consolidated)

@Susan B
Thank you that is an excellent link for reference regarding the adverse Bio-Effects of smart meters should be aware of.

Sincerely interested individuals have to spend time what we the ratepayers are up against.
Now regarding the adverse economic impact to hit the ratepayers and soon, I find this article to be an excellent reference.
"Why Smart Meters Might Be a Dumb Idea"
http://www.consumersdigest.com/special-reports/why-smart-meters-might-be-a-dumb-idea/view-all

Try to renew tour driver's license in your state, wherever it may be, having an unpaid parking violation in the country of TIM-BOK-TU, and see what happens.

@Montgomery - how can the power company cut you off for unpaid traffic violations?

Traci:

Skepticism is good! Now question what all the other anti-wireless talking heads proclaim.

@Frank
Why are you MUM regarding the other conditions Frank?
"Hypochondriac reaction" was/is used when the allopathic medical industry has no CLUE what is wrong with the patient, so label the patient "Fruit Cake" and the drug pushing allopathic medical industry maintains the fa-shad of it's integrity!

@FRANK
Not at all Frank, earlier studies are more in tune with the truth.
Before Science and technology was co-opted by the economic interests that thrive on the depravity of humanity.

Appeal to vast conspiracy.

Malaprop - asking for more information does not equal skepticism.

Michael T.
Why don't you start from the Beginning of this thread and do some studying with the links presented?

@FRANK
Very simple FRANK, I got other more pressing issues regarding smart meters to attend to, than to take the time to REGURGITATE, Information that has been posted elsewhere on this thread!

Those that Indeed are seeking legitimate information have been directed in the right direction.
NUFF SAID!

Hey George, I have read through some of your links (this is a 140+ post thread, after all), but none of them seem to provide a physiological mechanism by which non-ionizing radiation can impart an effect on human cells or tissue. Could you please summarize the "how" of how non-ionizing radiation can affect biological functions?

@FRANK
You can hang around and debate till the cows come home Frank!
For those that are seeking education, the record on this thread is complete.
As I have told you before, I am not in the convincing Business!

Your links do not contain an explanation of how non-ionizing radiation can impart an effect on human cells, tissue or biology. I'll await an explanation, but I don't think one is forthcoming because George has suddenly decided he's not in the convincing business.

Frank - again, there is no need to belittle, criticize or otherwise personally attack anyone commenting on this article. If you don't like something someone posts, you are entitled to say so, but should do so in a considerate, professional manner. If you are an adult, please act like one. Either come to the table with intelligent posts - I notice you have not posted any credible studies, right? - or refrain from posting. Like we are taught when we are children... if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.

@Traci

"I notice you have not posted any credible studies, right?"

Traci -- you've got to be kidding. You posted the fictitious "GLOBAL HEALTH WARNING" from Karolinska. You ignored the evidence against a health threat posted on the Karolinska website.

You also posted a study from the quacks in the American Academy of Environmental Medicine.

You also support Center for Safer Wireless whose executive director has spoken on an anti-semitic, hate mongering radio station and remain silent about my inquiries on your support for CFSW.

You add nothing to this discussion other than falsehoods, misinformation, bias and poor scientific methodology.

Yeah, I watched that. He doesn't explain "how" it happens. At no point. He just puts rats in a radio box and performs necropsies and finds damaged blood-brain barriers, but at no point does he say how non-ionizing radiation damages animal cells. He presents no hypothesis which could explain this result.

@Michaelt T & Of course @Frank.

Those that want more information and have questions, regarding the EVER SO SHORT in time VIDEO presentation (For such an important subject.), can always put the little extra effort that is required to track down the Good doctor and/or additional articles videos and publications that he may have released, in order to obtain more knowledge on the subject.
Unless of course the intent of the questions all along have only one objective!
Need I remind the reader??....casting perpetual doubt is the work of the MASTER worker of Inequity!
And my question to you gentlemen is this!

ARE YOU HIS Disciples?

Here is another relevant paper from Dr. Leif G. Salford
http://www.elektrosmognews.de/salfordjan2003.pdf

And the relevant contact info:
Corresponding author:
Leif G. Salford
Dept. of Neurosurgery
Lund University Hospital
S-221 85 Lund, Sweden
Phone: +46 46 171270
Fax: +46 46 189287
Email: Leif.Salford@neurokir.lu.se

George, I've tried. I can't find a consistent answer from EMF-conspiracists as to how non-ionizing radiation can impart an effect on animal tissue. But that's probably because it doesn't.

George, that paper which you linked is the basis for the video that we watched. And it also lacks an explanation or even a hypothesis as to how non-ionizing radio waves impart an effect on cells.

Surely you have a rudimentary grasp of how your theory works. I'll even help and give you a quick version of how ionizing radiation damages cells:

Ionizing radiation excites atoms and electrons which can shoot through cellular structures like a bullet through a pumpkin, destroying the very building blocks of life–DNA.

Non ionizing radiation does not do that. Radio transmitters do not broadcast an ionizing signal. Therefore, the question must become: how does non-ionizing radiation impart an effect on cells?

@Michael.
Like I said before if you got questions such as
"Radio transmitters do not broadcast an ionizing signal. Therefore, the question must become: how does non-ionizing radiation impart an effect on cells?"
contact the good doctor.
It would be the Height of Folly for anybody, to presume to give an answer regarding someone else's research.

And the relevant contact info is posted for you below.:
Corresponding author:
Leif G. Salford
Dept. of Neurosurgery
Lund University Hospital
S-221 85 Lund, Sweden
Phone: +46 46 171270
Fax: +46 46 189287
Email: Leif.Salford@neurokir.lu.se

The appeal to authority. Well played, sir. Well played indeed. I rest my case.

Michael Theis
Surely it would suit you fine to rest! Your CASE that is!
BUT the UN-DISPUTABLE fact remains that you HAVE NO CASE!
Just a Bunch of HOT air. aspersions and diversions is your trait.

Like I told You Buddy at deception Frank!
We thank you for helping us get the word out.
Opt-outs are being mailed in a torrential rate in the FREE (Of Smart meters) State of Maryland, and PEPCO is REMOVING SMART METERS from the Folks that Sent in their OPT out NOTICE as per the PSC ORDER, and replacing them with ANALOG Electro-mechanical meters.

A PERMANENT OPT-OUT is a GIVEN in the STATE OF MARYLAND.

Okay.

Ms. Brinchman continues to use Patch comments to advertise at no cost her website which capitalizes on fear by peddling unproven anti-EMF devices and soliciting donations. And she does so while accusing those who question her of being "shills."

The website features pseudo-science from Olle Johansson, Daniel Hirsch and David Carpenter.

Perhaps she could post what she considers the top three publications that demonstrate harm from smart meters. These posts should be hosted at reputable scientific or medical websites.

As an example, I posted an article with evidence against harm from cell phones hosted on the Karolinska website:

http://ki.se/ki/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=130&a=136019&l=en&newsdep=130

Continued...."That’s great news for the companies that make the hardware and software for devices that will monitor and help you to control your electricity but lousy news for consumers who don’t buy the equipment. These consumers will risk having their electricity bills go through the roof when electric companies charge potentially five to 10 times more for electricity when power demand peaks on the 10 or so hottest days of the year, as seen in pilot tests of time-of-use rates.

If you don’t fork over the money to buy the equipment that allows you to monitor your energy consumption, use remote controls to turn your air conditioner on and off or buy appliances that have embedded smart chips that are designed to work with home-monitoring systems, your $200- or $300-per-month summer electricity bill could, as a consequence, easily become a $400 or $600 monthly drain on your wallet."

I have yet to hear any criticism or concern from you nor any apology from Ms Hoch about her appearance on a anti-Semitic, Holocaust denier's TV show.

However you do think someone should be criticized for working in a technology company.

That really says something about your values and concern for humanity. If you had an moral fiber, you would remove all references to Ms. Hoch's organization until receiving an apology and acceptable explanation. Ms Hoch's creepy response that the hate-mongering host is a proponent of "alternative medicine" should disgust just about everyone.

As far as 1-2 studies, we have not even gotten that far. You have no clue about what a study says, nor its validity, and you completely lack the capacity for critical thought. You do not examine the organizations behind these studies -- you just assume if they share your narrow viewpoint they must be good.

And I notice that the Karolinska statement, which by now is impossible to defend, remains on your website. Have you found Olle Johansson's letter posted as an example of quality research on any reputable scientific website? I am still waiting to see that.

As far as producing, yes, you do produce much misinformation, disinformation, hyperbole, falsehoods and quackery. I will offer that praise.

SMART GRID Privacy Concerns
"Because the utilities and the meters in homes and businesses will be more intimately linked, there is the potential for the utilities to collect personal information, which can be seen as an invasion of privacy. Information about electricity usage will be collected as well as other information such as the types of appliances in the homes. Data collected about electricity usage could, for example, be used to determine when people are not at home, making the homes easy targets of theft."

And that is why I do not want a Smart Meter.

The Microwave Factor
"Microwave - and other forms of electromagnetic - radiation are major (but conveniently disregarded, ignored, and overlooked) factors in many modern unexplained disease states. Insomnia, anxiety, vision problems, swollen lymph, headaches, extreme thirst, night sweats, fatigue, memory and concentration problems, muscle pain, weakened immunity, allergies, heart problems, and intestinal disturbances are all symptoms found in a disease process originally described in the 1970s as Microwave Sickness"
http://prd34.blogspot.com/2012/06/austrian-medical-association-objects-to.html
http://thepowerfilm.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Aust.-Phys.-Chamber-fed-letter-Engl-trans.pdf
http://thepowerfilm.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/AustPhysicians-SM-PR-translated-I-4-12-1.pdf

FRIDAY, JUNE 22, 2012
Breakthrough for EHS in Israel
No. 1 Radio Show ‘OSIM TZOHORAIM’ in Israel Started a National Campaign on EHS, and other new developments
http://prd34.blogspot.com/2012/06/breakthrough-for-ehs-in-israel.html

Yale Study On Cell Phones and Pregnancy (VIDEO)
http://prd34.blogspot.com/2012/06/yale-study-on-cell-phones-and-pregnancy.html

The invisible threat that pulls apart DNA, causing genetic disorders and cancer
Wednesday, June 20, 2012 by: D Holt
"(NaturalNews) We are all exposed to electromagnetic radiation constantly on a daily basis from mobile phones, Wifi hot spots, power lines and electrical appliances. The sources of this pollution are many and varied, each having its own range of wavelength, frequency and intensity. How does the artificial electromagnetic soup that we bathe in every day affect our most precious gift, our DNA?" ..........
http://prd34.blogspot.com/2012/06/invisible-threat-that-pulls-apart-dna.html

@Frank
Story at-a-glance
"If you’re pregnant, there is compelling evidence that you may want to use extreme caution when using a cell phone
An animal study by Yale researchers suggests that the increasingly prevalent neurobehavioral disorders in children -- conditions like attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) -- may be related to exposure to radiofrequency radiation from cell phones while in the womb
Past studies have also linked pregnant women’s use of cell phones to their babies developing hyperactivity and difficulties with conduct, emotions and relationships by the time they reached school age
As long as your cell phone is on, it emits radiation intermittently, even when you are not actually making a call. If you're pregnant, keeping your cell phone turned off, and avoiding or reducing your cell phone use may be especially important to the health of your offspring
Radiation from wireless devices is biologically active in a myriad of ways, including damaging DNA. There is no good reason to take the many risks of exposing unborn fetuses, or infants and children of any age, to this radiation"
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/07/04/cellphone-radiation-may-cause-adhd.aspx?e_cid=20120704_DNL_artNew_1

The Yale article was the subject of much ridicule in the scientific community. If you read the comments of the Yale article, you will find it debunked by two scientists -- here is an excerpt:

"Finally, it should be realised that in ?receive? mode the battery provides current to the circuitry, which in turn creates an extremely low-frequency (ELF) magnetic field: the handsets also are warmer to the touch than a ?deactivated? phone (presumably one turned off). These are just two of many possible confounding exposures. However, whatever led to neurobehavioral disorders in this study was unlikely to be RF and the thus the main conclusion is likely to be in error."

@Malaprop
Regarding your statement "The Yale article was the subject of much ridicule in the scientific community....."
Now Yale is no Good for you. & you forgot to sling mud at Dr. Mercola.
You should post the links you reference for review!
We all know about "excerpts" and how can be massaged and taken out of context!

In any event! This writer says, "Say NO to smart meters!"

Who Should Be Deciding Risk—Engineers or Experts in Biology?
"As Joel Moskowitz, PhD of the UC Berkeley School of Public Health has pointed out in “Does the FCC Plan to Rubber Stamp Outdated Cell Phone Radiation Standards?”, the FCC’s recent statement that it intends to review the safety guidelines for RF radiation–but has already made up its mind that the guidelines are adequate–is of very great concern.

That the FCC is finally again reviewing the guidelines after a decade and a half since 1996 may seem on the surface like progress, as groups including ElectromagneticHealth.org have called for the FCC to revisit its exposure guidelines for years. (See EMF Petition to Congress, with thousands of endorsers from every state in the nation asking that the FCC review its guidelines). But should we be celebrating? It’s uncertain. Some smell a rat in this latest announcement." ...........

http://electromagnetichealth.org/electromagnetic-health-blog/fcc-standards/

SMART METERS VIOLATE Ratepayers Right to Privacy Privacy, in spite of Official assurances.
Report to the Commission MPSC
http://www.w4ar.com/MPSC_decision_June_29_20112_ALLOW_OPT_OUT.pdf
Report to the Commission
Case No. U-17000
June 29, 2012

"Data privacy and cyber security continue to be priorities for customers, utilities and the Commission. Data protection procedures are continually being updated at the national and state levels. Michigan utilities currently have large amounts of critical customer information that they have safeguarded for years and will continue to adequately safeguard. Several national organizations are focused on monitoring and improving cyber security efforts that will continue to guide electric service providers’ efforts."
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

William Rea, M.D. Settles Charges by the Texas Medical Board
http://www.casewatch.org/board/med/rea/order.shtml
"In August 2010, the Texas Medical Board approved a mediated agreed order under which William J. Rea, M.D. must revise the form he uses to obtain consent to treat patients with injections of environmental substances. The order was based upon Rea's failure to obtain informed consent from five patients diagnosed with chemical sensitivity and/or environmental sensitivity. During the investigation, Rea testified that a "car exhaust" solution he used for injections was so dilute that only an "electromagnetic imprint" of the original active substances remained.. The revised consent form, also shown below, must state that (a) his injections contain only the “electromagnetic imprint” of the agents in question, (b) the therapy is not FDA-approved, and (c) the therapeutic value of the therapy is disputed. In addition, he must not start using any formulations that contain any amounts of substances classified as hazardous or carcinogenic by the Environmental Protection Agency or any other federal or state regulatory agency."
http://www.casewatch.org/board/med/rea/order.shtml

William Rea http://www.casewatch.org/board/med/rea/rea_depo.pdf

Susan could contribute positively to this discussion by providing authoritative links to the Austrian Medical Association (national) to buttress her claim that highly respected medical organizations claim harmful effects from smart meters.

Yet she refuses.

Instead, she prefers to hurl unsubstantiated accusations of secret payments about those who oppose her. And she does this in spite of her association with an anti-wireless website that promotes EMF protection gear and solicits donations. Now who really stands to gain financially from their activity on this discussion?

We get no answers from Susan, only unfounded accusations and advertisement for a website which capitalizes on the fear she generates.

@Frank!
There you go FRANK , you never miss an opportunity to say Nothing!
NON-THERMAL EFFECTS OF ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS. NOW AVAILABLE FOR FREE DOWNLOAD..
http://www.magdahavas.com/icems-non-thermal-effects-of-electromagnetic-fields-now-available-for-free-download/

Look at the top of the Meter above the digital display.
If there is a marking "Silver Spring Networks" Followed by an "FCC ID:"
It is a smart meter transmitting RF Sped Spectrum radiation in the 900-928MHZ
Reda the article below.
Smart Meter Dangers: The Health Hazards of Wireless Electromagnetic Radiation Exposure
The Latest from Dr. David O. Carpenter

by Dr. Ilya Sandra Perlingieri
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=31891

Thank you George Karadimas!!!

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